BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

re: BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

BorkPia — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:14:59 GMT

When I change the spacing *before* in the Document Default the text in a table changes. So I cannot use Document Default to have my text outside a table with other spacings than inside a table. Only spacing after and line spacing can be different inside and outside a table.

re: BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

wrdblog — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:20:34 GMT

Hi Domen – It sounds like you want to create a set of Styles for you company and that you want these Styles to ‘ignore’ any changes made to the Doc Defaults. Try the following macro after creating the Style Set you’d like your company to use: Sub setQuickStyleSetAsDefault() ' open template as a document for editing Dim doc As Document Set doc = NormalTemplate.OpenAsDocument ' apply a quick style set to the template doc.ApplyQuickStyleSet (" ") ' save the template and close doc.Close (wdSaveChanges)

End Sub - Jonathan Bailor (MS)

re: BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

Domen Ferbar — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:39:21 GMT

Thank you for a great post. What I want to do is to enable users to set new company document style and defaults on existing documents. Setting styles i can do, but how to reset document defaults. I don't want users messing with the dialog box and setting three properties in the dialog box for every existing document. So the question is: how do I access document defaults via macro? Macro recording ends up empty? Any other option? Sincerely, Domen Ferbar

re: BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

wrdblog — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:51:29 GMT

Hi PamC - The hierarchy is not new. The control that you have around Document Defaults is. My next post will talk more about Normal vs. Document Defaults. Let me know if it helps. Regarding char styles: There is no direct relationship between a “char” (or “para”) style appearing and problems with other styles; the only way that they would interact is if the linked styles were defined as part of the “based on” style hierarchy. That being said, we hear you pain and have fixed some bugs around this in recent patches [i.e. please make sure and your teammates are up to date with Microsoft Updates]. The issue you are seeing is possibly the result of someone who has worked on the document using an un-patched version. - Jonathan Bailor (MS)

re: BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

Pam Caswell — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:52:08 GMT

Thank you for this post. I'm a happy W2007 user but still have to use W2003 in my business. Word 2003, at least with table styles, does not seem to follow your hierarchy. Is it new or revised for W2007? Also, when an unlinked style (char) is present, all bets are off. Can you tell us how and why a the presence of a char style, say Header char, can affect the seemingly unrelated style Caption and even affect the grid lines of table using table styles? PamC

re: BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

wrdblog — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:48:22 GMT

Hi Ilya – Great question. To really answer your question, I need more than this plain text comment field will allow. So if it’s ok with you, I’d like to answer your question in a future post on the Format Tracking feature within the Styles Manager. -Jonathan Bailor (MS)

re: BEHIND THE CURTAIN: STYLES’ ORDER OF OPERATIONS

Ilya — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:36:40 GMT

Jonathan, Great post. Hey, what happens to cause the default styles to get, ughm...overwritten. That's a big problem that I see with our documents due to, what I can only image, activities of some of our pretty ignorant (of these matters) users. We deal with templates for documents with our own style set. Let's call the default style CustomStyle. We also copy / paste good portions of documents as they are reused. Through this, after we do this, the CustomStyle disappears from the Style list (to complicate matters, we use 2003 predominantly, but I'm sure it's similar in 2007), and there is a plethora of things like CustomStyle + 12pt, CustomStyle + Red, etc. - in the style "gallery." So, every time a user modifies a formatting of a paragraph with style applied - probably through not knowing how to work with styles properly - it seems like a new style is added; what's worse - the original style is "deleted" - my guess, modified. So the question is how / why does it happen and how to avoid it. Bonus question is - how to reverse it (probably, very very difficult). Thanks in advance, Ilya